These are my latest on pig skin, used 9rl & 5flat for skull & panther and 7rl & 9rs for butterflies. I would rather use mags than flats for colouring and shading, but have a few boxes to use up. Although I find flats are ok for small areas of shading. Done my first one on someones foot last week, but forgot as usual to take pictures, she didn't move or complain at all and it must have hurt. I will get pics when healed. So far everyone I have tattooed has said that it hurts less than when they go to a shop, has anybody else found this, and if so do you think it is because in shops they work quicker and cause more pain. All of these tatts took about 2 - 2.5 hours each to complete. Do you think this is slow? I look forward to your comments.