Thanks I used 3 machines to do this one, as i did not want to over work them and melt the coils haha. I used a 5RL to line, 9RL to power line and a 9RS to pack the black in, This is my cousin, who now want to extend the tribal further down his back, very good of him to let me practice, i will post a pic up later of a tribal i did for my Dad today...... thanks for the comments